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Old 02-08-2017, 10:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default New RC Heli Training tool ( teaches muscle memory )

A friend of mine showed me this today.

Interesting concept. What do you guys think?

https://www.avirem.de/
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Old 02-08-2017, 10:39 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Not entirely sure why...but I want this!

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Old 02-08-2017, 10:40 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 02-08-2017, 10:45 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I don't think this is going to help you with muscle memory...it's just going to give you a feel for the stick motions when you want to learn something new, so you have a better sense of what to do with your sim. I tend to enjoy figuring that out for myself and it doesn't usually take that long.

I can see it encouraging guys to try shortcuts to advanced stuff when they haven't built the foundation. Whether that's actually a good idea is a different question.
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Old 02-08-2017, 10:46 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Wow. I am impressed. This is a very innovative approach, but is very expensive! I like the innovation into the hobby though, it is a very nice breath of fresh air to be honest. Someone should post this on the News threads.
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Wow. I am impressed. This is a very innovative approach, but is very expensive! I like the innovation into the hobby though, it is a very nice breath of fresh air to be honest. Someone should post this on the News threads.
An introductory price of 190 Euros is expensive?
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Old 02-08-2017, 10:55 AM   #8 (permalink)
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370 or so USD for the full final price is expensive. Yes not as expensive as a 2K machine but I can't afford that anyways. It is basically a force feedback enabled transmitter with the accompanying software. I believe it would make it the most expensive of the available sims.

It would be awesome if it has like a structured program on the software because yes I hadn't thought about it, can teach a maneuver without learning the basics.

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I'm confused. Is this a sim, too? That would make a lot more sense. The stick mover thing alone seems like a neat novelty but not really all that useful. Rates, expo, size and type of heli, and flying style are all going to affect how the sticks need to move for any maneuver.

I'm sure the components and German engineering are probably technically worth the price, but I still think it's very expensive for what little it does.

I do think it's cool, just maybe not hundreds-of-dollars cool.
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Old 02-08-2017, 11:35 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I was wondering yesterday why we have not seen anything like this. It makes good sense to me. I wonder what it feels like to do a lot of tricks that I can't yet do, and this would give me the answers. Very cool.
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Old 02-08-2017, 12:19 PM   #11 (permalink)
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"Kickstarter"

Ehhhhhhh no thanks. I'll wait and see if it ever actually comes to market.
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Old 02-08-2017, 12:31 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Hell, I'm in!

I am a visual/tactile learner but I can't always see/feel what people do on the sticks.

This would move my learning along a ton!!!!

This would shorten how much time I need on the sticks to learn something incredibly!!!
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Old 02-08-2017, 12:48 PM   #13 (permalink)
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After all these years thats why it never went to market? Because it does not work. Thats why no one waste time and money to make it.
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If it works and helps people progress in their flying skills, why not?

But does it really work, that's the question???
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:31 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I dont know if it "works at helping you become a better pilot faster" or not, but I dont see how it will teach muscle memory. If the sticks are moving your fingers for you, then you arent using your muscles to move your fingers, therefore no "memory" can be built up, as no signals from the brain are being sent to the fingers.

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Old 02-08-2017, 03:45 PM   #16 (permalink)
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good set up and time practicing "slow fly" teaches good muscle memory
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Old 02-08-2017, 05:26 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I have my doubts about this device.

Maybe for basic skills? But more advanced? Everyone's got expo and rates set up differently. Big helis fly differently from small helis. Even same helis can feel different depending on controller programming.

I'm not convinced.

Still, if experimental data support it, sure. But that'd be darn hard to come by, I reckon.
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Old 02-08-2017, 05:49 PM   #18 (permalink)
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a fool with a tool is still a fool?! -.-

i've read somewhere, the idea was born because of it's impossible to watch stick moves and follow the movement of the heli at the same time, here we go avirem.

edit says it's no sim, just videos with recorded stick moves
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Old 02-08-2017, 05:51 PM   #19 (permalink)
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The concept I think is good. Remember sims are for building muscle memory only. If this thing teaches you the motions for a particular maneuver, then you can go and practice on your own. No sim will give you the real experience. There is an adaptation from the sim to reality. What I had not seen that Wargamer highlighted and that I heard Bert K say once on an interview is that you can potentially learn maneuvers that are above your skill level. When this happens your flying becomes reckless and even probably dangerous. It also makes you potentially get discouraged along your progress not being able to link maneuvers, do a smooth continuous flight, or do a certain maneuver only a certain direction or orientation.

As everything, used properly I think is a good tool. For example I have the general notion of a piro flip but it would help me if this thing teaches me the motion and timing necessary so that I can start building it myself. I still think it's expensive so I will continue using my sim But I like that in these times of slowdown there is innovation on the hobby from others willing to risk it not just the established known innovators on the hobby.
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glad i am to the point that i am at
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