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Old 11-05-2008, 10:41 AM   #61 (permalink)
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JR DS821 on cyclics modded for longer screw to support shaft(I have a ton of these servos I need to use up. Either that or I do have 3 Airtronics metal gear digital servos.
JR G7703d and 8900g gyro setup
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Actually I just happened into this sub forum today and got excited enough to consider buying one to build this winter
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:13 PM   #62 (permalink)
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How is the Neu in terms of efficiency? What would flight times look like doing light to moderate 3D?

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Old 11-05-2008, 07:06 PM   #63 (permalink)
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your going to get 7 to 7 1/2 minutes on a 6s 6000 mah pack, and about 6 minutes on 5000 mah pack.
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Old 11-05-2008, 07:11 PM   #64 (permalink)
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That's awesome... really excellent. I'm not very, very seriously looking at this as my next heli. It's nice to know I can go all the way to a .30 size heli without having to go to Nitro.
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Old 11-06-2008, 12:19 AM   #65 (permalink)
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How's CG with the 6000mah's?
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Are the 6000 packs wider, longer, or both?
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Old 11-06-2008, 10:25 AM   #67 (permalink)
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Are the 6000 packs wider, longer, or both?

The outrage packs are too cool for your Logo Fil
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:07 AM   #68 (permalink)
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That Neu motor is a pricey bugger. Is it really $80+ better than the Scorpion 3026 v2?
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:12 AM   #69 (permalink)
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199g vs 285g
1680w vs 1200w
80A vs 40A

On paper the scorpion crushes the Neu
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Sure looks like it.
As my "flying" is really more like "waiting for the crash" I think I'll save that $80 for the inevitable.
Tentative first setup:
Scorpion mentioned above
Jazz 80 (have one laying around)
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Gy 520 (would love to try the Spartan but they're never in stock)
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:38 AM   #71 (permalink)
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It is alot easier to get a spartan these days.
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Well when it comes to pushing the button I guess I'll go with whatever's available between the two.
One question-I notice most people are considering going with 560 mains. Any particular reason?
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Old 11-06-2008, 12:27 PM   #73 (permalink)
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$350 for the 6S 6000mah Jeeze !!
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$350 for the 6S 6000mah Jeeze !!
That is exactly why I'm so interested in using 10S A123 in this bird! Big lipo prices still give me hives.
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Old 11-06-2008, 03:35 PM   #75 (permalink)
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The 5000mah at $270 seems a much better choice.
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Old 11-06-2008, 03:48 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Scorpion mentioned above
Jazz 80 (have one laying around)
The Scorpion motor you listed above is simply to small for this size heli. You will need HK-4020 series

The Jazz 80 has a high potential of running hot in this size heli. A lot of guys using it on the Logo 500 have overheating/thermaling issues even with the heat-sink mod. If you live up North (Canada for example) then it's not as bad.


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Well when it comes to pushing the button I guess I'll go with whatever's available between the two.
One question-I notice most people are considering going with 560 mains. Any particular reason?
Better disk loading for this size heli. 550mm blades are good too from reports.

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The 5000mah at $270 seems a much better choice.
Yes the 6s 5000mah pack is a great compromise between cost, weight & run time. I found a Desire Power 6s 5000 for on sale for $200, they sold out FAST! I'm also going to buy an Outrage 6s 5000 too. $279 is very reasonable.

The packs for my Logo 600 (I used to own) were $400-$530 each! I don't want to go down that road again.
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Old 11-06-2008, 04:18 PM   #77 (permalink)
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Aw dangit Lith you had to go and burst my bubble. At least the servos made the cut!
I don't expect I'll have any trouble with the Jazz as I used it in my T600 without issue. (Flying in mostly 90+ degree weather) The soft start on that thing is amazing.
I am curious as to why the 3026 is too small. Do you mean physically? Spec's-wise the 4020's got nothin' on it, other than a larger stator diameter.
(Not trying to be a smart ass, just genuinely curious. It's only a $25 difference after all)
Pack-wise I'm set. While the T600 is waiting to be converted to an 8s setup my TP5000's are collecting dust.
Btw, I know nobody here like's TP's, but if you're a member at Grand you can usually pick them up for $250. Just so's ya know.
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The 5000mah at $270 seems a much better choice.
It's still shocking compared to the $130 I have in my 10S A123 pack. I know A123 doesn't have the energy density of lipo, but honestly for the way I fly I've been totally happy with the performance-to-weight ratio. The only reason I can't just drop my Swift power system into the Outrage is my packs are in a "brick" configuration, and it looks like I'd have to reconfigure them as "shotgun" to fit in the frame. Bah.
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I don't expect I'll have any trouble with the Jazz as I used it in my T600 without issue. (Flying in mostly 90+ degree weather) The soft start on that thing is amazing.
Since I know we're flying in similar environments, I have to comment...

On my T600, no issues with the Jazz 80. On my L500, I started having thermals this year. I tried the heat sink mod to no avail. Thus, I'm working on switching to a Jive on the L500.

I think there's more too it than "what bird", however, and it has a lot more to do with motor, load, gear ratio, and what %age you end up with the Jazz at than anything else. I never found a sweet spot on the L500 that didn't overheat, but that was at least partially due to the inability to get a gearing that "worked" for it.

Of course, the weather is now heading towards frigid...

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Which Jive would be appropriate for the Outrage? The Jive prices aren't much higher than the Jazz prices when you consider the fact that the Jive already includes a 6V switching BEC.
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