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Old 10-22-2019, 01:19 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Tailrotor P Gain Adjustment (Default 100%)
Higher gain will result in greater stability. Setting the gain too high may result
in random twitches if your model has an excessive level of vibration. High frequency oscillations may also occur if the gain is set too high.

Lower gain may result in a decrease in stability. Too low of a value may result in a less stable model particularly outdoors in winds.
If you are located at a higher altitude or in a warmer climate, higher gains may be beneficialóthe opposite is true for lower altitude or colder climates.

That would be part of the PID gains.

P=Proportional
I=Integral
D=Derivative

But anything is worth a try. To be honest I think most people just tinker with settings until it works right. Often I'll just adjust one thing about 5 points at a time and see if it has the desired effect.
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That would be part of the PID gains.

P=Proportional
I=Integral
D=Derivative

But anything is worth a try. To be honest I think most people just tinker with settings until it works right. Often I'll just adjust one thing about 5 points at a time and see if it has the desired effect.

Heh - that would be awesome if you didn't have to follow a procedure such as this:


1) fly and notice problem
2) unplug motor
3) enter gain adjust mode on transmitter
4) make adjustments
5) reconnect motor
6) fly and notice problem
7) goto 1


I'm hoping (tho I don't know) that the process will be more streamlined on my oxy 4 max with brain 2 whenever all the stuff finally arrives and i build it.


Might just leave well enough alone on the 360cfx.
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Heh - that would be awesome if you didn't have to follow a procedure such as this:


1) fly and notice problem
2) unplug motor
3) enter gain adjust mode on transmitter
4) make adjustments
5) reconnect motor
6) fly and notice problem
7) goto 1


I'm hoping (tho I don't know) that the process will be more streamlined on my oxy 4 max with brain 2 whenever all the stuff finally arrives and i build it.


Might just leave well enough alone on the 360cfx.

As long as you get a 4649t with your setup, it should go something like



1) fly and notice problem
2) land and hold sticks to correct position until you enter parameters menu
3) make adjustments
4) fly and notice problem
5) goto 1


spektrum / brain 2 is an awesome combo. You will also have the option to tie a setting to a rotational knob, and make adjustments real time in flight.
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I did indeed get spektrum 4649t


also got brain 2 with bluetooth. I'm hoping the smart phone access over bluetooth will be even more productive than tx forward programming. Tx forward programming is irritating to me due to the poor interface of scroll / click wheel or move sticks around in some way that you have to just remember.
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1) fly and notice problem
2) land and hold sticks to correct position until you enter parameters menu
3) make adjustments
4) fly and notice problem
5) goto 1
Exactly this way its`s done with Spektrum AR636/AR6335 in Blade Helicopters. Same Procedure for Blade 130S/150S/230S/250cfx/360cfx 3S, and a few others. No need to disconnect motor wires.

I do not have Blade 360cfx 3S, since i decidet to go with the 6S Bird.
But i have al lot of 230S, and after buliding scale modells out of them, with three, four, and five-blade main rotors and two blade tail, fenestron tail and even notar-tail, i had to setup tail gains properly. So i got used to it....

Its true, everyone i konw with Blade 360cfx 3S reported about tail wag.
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No need to disconnect motor wires.

manual says to do it ... I don't need to?
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If You do...it would be at the recommendation regarding safety...

If You don't...any undesired result is on You
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If You do...it would be at the recommendation regarding safety...

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see? thats what I think ... I'm not looking to get hit in the face by a carbon fiber blade at 3200 rpm
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I got smacked in the eye once with a 325mm blade once when I was really new. Luckily it only scratched it. I could have been blind in that eye. Anymore I take heed of the safety recommendations.
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see? thats what I think ... I'm not looking to get hit in the face by a carbon fiber blade at 3200 rpm
Viola !! You got this

I've seen what happens (and posted a picture elsewhere on HF years ago) when a blade lets loose during spoolup…

Mind You...it was an mCPX Micro...but the screen of My monitor took the hit and damage
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No need to disconnect motor wires.
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manual says to do it ... I don't need to?
I think you only need to disconnect one of the three wires to disable the motor?
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I think you only need to disconnect one of the three wires to disable the motor?

A minimum of two wires to guarantee the motor will not spool
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A minimum of two wires to guarantee the motor will not spool
I almost like the the other technique better, pulling the motor back to disengage the drivetrain gears. That also allows you to listen to the motor spooling (or not) as you go through various bench testing and setup.
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I almost like the the other technique better, pulling the motor back to disengage the drivetrain gears. That also allows you to listen to the motor spooling (or not) as you go through various bench testing and setup.
Perfectly fine to do...just be sure to lock the motor in place away from pinion so you donít strip the main gear
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Well - i'm on vacation tomorrow and supposed to be light winds... I'll head out and fly it .. see what happens It flew fine last friday as well with some tail wag. I'll try more adjusting. Hopefully work will leave me alone - that would be great!
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Well - i'm on vacation tomorrow and supposed to be light winds... I'll head out and fly it .. see what happens It flew fine last friday as well with some tail wag. I'll try more adjusting. Hopefully work will leave me alone - that would be great!

I flew it ... it flew fine (tho I do no 3d - haven't even inverted it - just forward circuits). Tail wags all over the place but it flies OK. I wonder if I should grab a better tail servo? Is there a better tail servo? Spec wise I couldn't find any that were better (speed wise - but torque wise several were) Anyone have recommendations?


What about this one? https://www.bkhobbies.com/product-p/bkmi02.htm
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I don't know .... maybe ... will it work with the stock FBL (ie: plug-n-play - don't really have a way to program it...)?
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I don't know .... maybe ... will it work with the stock FBL (ie: plug-n-play - don't really have a way to program it...)?
It's 760 centering freq instead of 1520 so probably not. You will need to watch that as many tail servos are that.
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No need to disconnect motor wires.

manual says to do it ... I don't need to?
I never intended to recommend something against safety or manual. So i checked. I apologize, it really says to disconnect motor. In this case, i agree, the procedure is much to complicated. I never disconnected, because i never knew i should. That way it was simple and easy done.
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