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Old 01-16-2020, 11:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Struggling to understand the Logo 550 range

Planning on buying a 550 this year and fancy the idea of a Logo, but I’m struggling to understand the range.

It has already been suggested to me on here that I go for the SE because I’m not interested in 3D flying, I prefer more scale-like and graceful acrobatics.

So when I look at the packages available on the Mikado site I see these two

LOGO 550 SE VBar/Scorpion/YGE Combo | LOGO 550 SE | LOGO Helicopters

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LOGO 550 SE V2 Super Combo | LOGO 550 SE | LOGO Helicopters

Two immediate questions

1) it is not clear what you actually get in each package
2) the second one refers to V2. Does this mean that it is a newer version that the first

The first seems to come with motor, ESC and gyro but not servos

The second seems to be a newer version and comes with motor, servos and gyro but not ESC

Am I missing something? Seems odd to present two incomplete packages.

Another question, while I think of it, my radio is a Futaba 8FG - will this work with the VBar gyro?

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Old 01-16-2020, 12:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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1. Click on the product data tab - you get all the details on what's included
2. Both are V2 the more expensive combo option includes the ESC YGE 90
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Old 01-16-2020, 01:01 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Yes it was the contents that I was looking at and caused the confusion.

The more expensive package does have the ESC but it doesn’t have the servos - according to the contents listing.

And from what I can tell (hard because Mikado don’t seem to sell that ESC) is that the servos are worth more than the ESC which makes the cheaper package much better value.

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Your transmitter will work with vbar. You will need a SBUS receiver to connect to it on the helicopter. Something like the Futaba R6303SB Receiver.

I would go for a 550SX either the V2 or V3. They run 550mm blades, The V2 has plastic blade grips. The V3 has metal blade grips and a stronger swash.

I consider the 550SE something of an old model with a longer boom and runs 600mm blades. I personally see no benefit in it regardless of flying style.
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Old 01-16-2020, 01:27 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Your transmitter will work with vbar. You will need a SBUS receiver to connect to it on the helicopter. Something like the Futaba R6303SB Receiver.

I would go for a 550SX either the V2 or V3. They run 550mm blades, The V2 has plastic blade grips. The V3 has metal blade grips and a stronger swash.

I consider the 550SE something of an old model with a longer boom and runs 600mm blades. I personally see no benefit in it regardless of flying style.
Thanks, I was only looking at the SE because that was what I was advised on here previously. But regardless, if I look at the 550SX packages I have the same confusion

LOGO 550 SX Scorpion ESC/Motor/VBar NEO Combo | LOGO 550 SX | LOGO Helicopters

and

LOGO 550 SX Super Combo | LOGO 550 SX | LOGO Helicopters

The first, and more expensive has the ESC but no servos

And the second, and cheaper, has the servos but no ESC

am I right in thinking that the servos are worth more than the ESC making the second package much better value for money.

And is the straight 550 (with no letters) the newer version and replacement - it is more expensive than the SX and the SE. Are the deals on the 550SX and 550SE because they are being superseded by the 550?

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Old 01-16-2020, 03:44 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I would take the second option as the ESC they are recommending I don't think is the right one for the 4025 motor.

I would get a HobbyWing 100A ESC.
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If you want a nice flying moderate to lower headspeed heli with 600mm blades the 550SE is a great heli. Do not worry about the plastic blade grips as they have been on all Mikado helis since they started and work perfectly with zero issues. I have both the metal grip version 600 and the 550 plastic versions and I think I would probably buy the plastic version again if I buy a new Logo in the future. It is the same heli as the 550SX V2 with a longer boom, belt and tail pushrod. it is not an older version.People seem to think we all want the same thing, a wild 2400 rpm smack machine. The 550SE will be a beautiful scale and sport flying machine for you. I agree that I would buy a HW 120 low voltage over the 90 YGE.
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If you want a nice flying moderate to lower headspeed heli with 600mm blades the 550SE is a great heli. Do not worry about the plastic blade grips as they have been on all Mikado helis since they started and work perfectly with zero issues. I have both the metal grip version 600 and the 550 plastic versions and I think I would probably buy the plastic version again if I buy a new Logo in the future. It is the same heli as the 550SX V2 with a longer boom, belt and tail pushrod. it is not an older version.People seem to think we all want the same thing, a wild 2400 rpm smack machine. The 550SE will be a beautiful scale and sport flying machine for you. I agree that I would buy a HW 120 low voltage over the 90 YGE.
That does sound like I want - when I see videos of extreme 3D two things always come to mind (1) I am in awe of the pilot, the speed and accuracy of their controls and (2) it looks horrible to me.

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Old 01-16-2020, 05:47 PM   #9 (permalink)
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If you want a nice flying moderate to lower headspeed heli with 600mm blades the 550SE is a great heli. Do not worry about the plastic blade grips as they have been on all Mikado helis since they started and work perfectly with zero issues. I have both the metal grip version 600 and the 550 plastic versions and I think I would probably buy the plastic version again if I buy a new Logo in the future. It is the same heli as the 550SX V2 with a longer boom, belt and tail pushrod. it is not an older version.People seem to think we all want the same thing, a wild 2400 rpm smack machine. The 550SE will be a beautiful scale and sport flying machine for you. I agree that I would buy a HW 120 low voltage over the 90 YGE.
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If you want a nice flying moderate to lower headspeed heli with 600mm blades the 550SE is a great heli. Do not worry about the plastic blade grips as they have been on all Mikado helis since they started and work perfectly with zero issues.People seem to think we all want the same thing, a wild 2400 rpm smack machine. The 550SE will be a beautiful scale and sport flying machine for you. :thumbup

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Please don't think a 550 with 550mm blades has to be flown with a 2400 head speed. If a model is fully aerobatic and can do the full program I think that highlights it will be fine for a prospective sport flyer.

I think it would be very hard to sell a model if you told the buyer it couldn't fly inverted or do a loop!

My old 500 3D used to fly very well with a 1900 head speed. I am sure it could of been flown with a lower head speed but then things get more difficult with collective management.

I do like the plastic main blade grips. Mikado plastic is very good.
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Old 01-17-2020, 08:35 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Yeah but 1900 rpm is not for me.

I used to fly my logo se at 1600 max!
I fly my logo 600s at 1400 most of the time.

Most the people here using more don't even know what to do with much that head speed.
Their short flight times also lead to less airtime leading to slower learning.
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Old 01-17-2020, 10:07 AM   #13 (permalink)
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With 5000mAh packs 1900 was good for 8 minutes.

The 550 is light so going SE it obviously does pretty well with low head speeds.
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The 550 SX is an awesome heli, what I am going off is the fact he has no interest in 3D and flys scale and sport. Add to that friends that know him have recommended the 550SE for his style. With this info and knowing how nice the 550SE fly's for sport type aerobatics with 600 mains and a moderate headspeed it should suit the flying style that was mentioned perfectly. Now I must say I really like my 550SX V2 logos and fly them from 1700 to 1960 rpm with RT 560s or VTX 557s. I do not know how you get 8 minutes at 1900 as I get around 5 1/2 minutes. They are both great helis and I hope nheather enjoys the Logo as much as we do.
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I do not know how you get 8 minutes at 1900
Possibly because I ditched the 4025 motor for a 4020. A model as light as the 550 doesn't need 3HP to get in the air.
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8 min at 1900 on a 550?
Ehh.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:05 AM   #17 (permalink)
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yes... 8 minutes should be possible without any doubt for me.

see attached a log of my 6s 600sx... with CF frame... so a "heavy rig" with 3.65kg swinging RT620s in that log (now i am back to 610/611). soft & smooth flying on a very hot day... cruising around with mild 3d, peaks only 165A... most of the time 1830 rpms (but as said - on 620 blades). motor is a Pyro 650 rewound to 850kV with very thick wire - very efficient motor... hotter than 60C only when emptying 5000 packs in less then 5 (or 6 on very hot days) minutes.

around 8 minutes with efficient blades (i.e. vtx 557) on a approx. 0.5kg lighter 550sx should be possible @1900 i guess.

btt: i do have 2 +/- "identic" birds... 550/600 cf frame, 25mm boom, same electronics... one @vtx 557 with se boom length/belt, the other as described above. i do fly the 600sx 2-3 times more often than the 550. only for harder 3d i do prefer the 550sx... or even more the Diabolo of course but for the TO i guess 550se will be a good choice - 600 is a great blade length. btw... Esc is Hw 120 v4. fine up to 240A peaks in my experience.

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Comparing a 600 running 620 blades to a 550 doesn't make sense. I can get 9 mins on my 600. On the 550. Never.

Also gotta ask what in the world are your batteries coming down at on a 550 at 1900 rpm and 8 mins, they'd have to be at 3.2v per cell.
I'd say let's see a video and voltage right after flight.
There's some exaggeration going on here.

Btw. Log is not legible.
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... found one of my 550 (cf frame, 25mm SE length boom, VTX 557, Egodrift 4025 1050, 3.5kg TOW)... it's not my normal style of flying, so it is rare: mix of smooth flying @1950/2120... 7:20... 4000mAh used, [email protected] off, 22.4V a little later. several peaks 170A. so just imagine to run 1900 only on a typical 3.2kg Logo 550 and even smoother flying... 8 minutes are realistic.

so in the end: it's exaggeration on one side or not good enough pitch management on the other

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... found one of my 550 (cf frame, SE boom length, VTX 557, Egodrift 4025 1050, 3.5kg TOW)... it's not my normal style of flying, so it is rare: mix of smooth flying @1950/2120... 7:20... 4000mAh used, [email protected] off, 22.4V a little later. several peaks 170A. so just imagine to run 1900 only on a typical 3.2kg Logo 500 and smoother flying... 8 minutes are realistic.

so in the end: it's exaggeration on one side or not good enough pitch management on the other

Ciao
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nb: how can i attach the logs without beeing that heavily compressed until almost unlegible?
Not sure. Screenshot always look bad.
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