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Old 04-12-2021, 03:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default New Futaba radio 2021. Will the 18sz be replaced?

I'm wondering about buying a new Futaba radio and have been cehecking the 18sz. But I see that it's been on the market since 2015 and may be due for a sucsessor soon? Is there any new regaring new releases for Futaba?

Also, ss the 18sz worth the money over 16sz? I dont need extra trims, but Life battery may be nice and 2 extra channels?
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Old 04-14-2021, 09:02 AM   #2 (permalink)
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If you run the cgy760 have a look at the 16iZ. The gyro integration is nice, same color touch screen as the 16/18sz. Cost less, has a 2000 mah lipo.
Even if you don’t use the wireless tuning the gyro setup is way better than using the programming box.

My biggest complaint is the switch spacing. I prefer a wider space for my fat finger.
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If you run the cgy760 have a look at the 16iZ. The gyro integration is nice, same color touch screen as the 16/18sz. Cost less, has a 2000 mah lipo.
Even if you don’t use the wireless tuning the gyro setup is way better than using the programming box.

My biggest complaint is the switch spacing. I prefer a wider space for my fat finger.
Thanks, good advice. I actualy have cgy760. I have so many FASST receivers and as I understand the 16iz is not compatible? So the 18sz and 16sz dont do wireless programming? Then perhaps updated 18sz will come soon...
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Thanks, good advice. I actualy have cgy760. I have so many FASST receivers and as I understand the 16iz is not compatible? So the 18sz and 16sz dont do wireless programming? Then perhaps updated 18sz will come soon...

The 16IZ is compatible with all 2.4 GHz FASSTest/FASST/T-FHSS/S-FHSS System receivers... and it has 18 channels as well. RCGroups has a forum for the 16IZ with more details as well. For example the LCD screen on the new 16IZ is brighter than the older 16/18 SZ series and easier to read in direct sunlight. The gimbals are the same as the 16sz/14SG. Futaba targeted the 16IZ as a mid level radio with unique and full integration with CGY760. Wireless programming a.k.a. “Integration” is only possible on the 16IZ and 32MZ with only with the CGY760.
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The 16IZ is compatible with all 2.4 GHz FASSTest/FASST/T-FHSS/S-FHSS System receivers...
Not in the EU. 16IZ radios in the EU do not do FASST.
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Old 04-26-2021, 01:41 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Not in the EU. 16IZ radios in the EU do not do FASST.
Thats what I read too. Is it possible to flash non eu firmware to a eu radio? Or is it hardcoded to the transmitter? Anybody know?
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AS far as I have been informed, the updates will not be zone specific - just general.
The 16iZ for the European zone is currently waiting for Futaba to get the batteries being used to be certified for use in Europe !

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Thats what I read too. Is it possible to flash non eu firmware to a eu radio? Or is it hardcoded to the transmitter? Anybody know?
As noted above it is not a software thing.
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So any new Futaba radios will probably not have Fasst in the future in EU? Then it would be best to buy the 18sz if you want Fasst?
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Then you will not be able to have the 760 programming & flight tuning from the transmitter with the 18SZ ?
In time, you will see FASST receivers disappear from the range as well.

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Any chance cgy760r programming will come to 16 and 18sz?
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I am told that the 16iZ will eventually replace the existing 16SZ, so no would be the answer there - and I believe its also a no for the 18SZ.

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I have the 16SZ 760 and wondered about the connectivity with the 16iZ.

It appears the 16iZ radio replaces the 760 programming box. But, for full programming of the 760, a WIRE is needed. Just like using the programming box.

The WIRELESS function appears to be the same as the programming box. So only wireless control of these functions with either programming box or 16iZ.

(The above is what it appears from the Futaba site. If wrong, please correct me.)
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The attachment is what I find from the manual. Looks like the 16lz initially programs with a cable and tunes wireless.
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From what I have read in other places the 16SZ, 18SZ, and 18MZ do not have the hardware to be able to program the 760 like the way the 16iz and 32mz can.

Kinda rubbed me wrong since we were told that these radios would be able to when the 760 was initially released. But hey to me, I set it up once, tune it, then fly it and don't fiddle. Once I crash or swap stuff out then I might tune again but that doesn't happen often. So for me being able to program it by the radio isn't that important.
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The attachment is what I find from the manual. Looks like the 16lz initially programs with a cable and tunes wireless.
Yes, you use a cable (mae->male servo type wire) to connect the TX to the 760 the first time. After that most tuning is done using the TX without the cable. No GPB-1 needed as well.
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The initial good faith belief that the 18SZ and 16SZ would support integration occurred before the extent of the hardware capability to run the new software was known. The 18SZ and 16SZ lack the internal memory to handle the update. Were it to be added, they would have to cut other functionality to the disappointment of customers who enjoy other modeling disciplines. I am aware of no looming replacement for the 18SZ.

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No GPB-1 needed as well.
are you sure the program box is not necessary at all for the CGY760R firmware updates ?
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From what I have read in other places the 16SZ, 18SZ, and 18MZ do not have the hardware to be able to program the 760 like the way the 16iz and 32mz can.
this is not a valid excuse to me as the open source powered radios can perform this with Brain and Spirit which have zero partnership with the radio maker.

this is not new news, they had also promised telemetry functionality for the old 14MZ and guess what ?
you had to buy a new radio but this time Futaba is no longer among the top 3 best radio sellers and they are seriously playing with fire and losing many customers day by day

indeed, it's been demonstrated that other radios without telemetry had the hardware ready for its purpose
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this is not a valid excuse to me as the open source powered radios can perform this with Brain and Spirit which have zero partnership with the radio maker.

this is not new news, they had also promised telemetry functionality for the old 14MZ and guess what ?
you had to buy a new radio but this time Futaba is no longer among the top 3 best radio sellers and they are seriously playing with fire and losing many customers day by day

indeed, it's been demonstrated that other radios without telemetry had the hardware ready for its purpose

While I agree that Futaba should NOT put just enough hardware to get what they currently have to work they didn't do that. I think some of it is just that they want what they have to work and work well so putting extra in their equipment seems like a waste.

I am hoping with the 32 and the 16iz they have learned from previous mistakes and will not follow that same path going forward but continue to have the same level of quality they currently have.
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