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Old 07-02-2021, 12:42 AM   #21 (permalink)
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"but at most sanctioned events you might have to show it."

That's not true at all.

Show us proof that requires anyone attending a sanctioned event has to
have passed the Trust test.

I have no clue as to how you can infer this.

Are you an AMA member?
Well several clubs near me are now requiring proof of FAA Registration. Some other club require proof at events. I don't think it is a stretch to think that many clubs will require proof of passing the test, It is in the law after all.
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Old 07-02-2021, 02:25 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I doubt that any officially sanctioned club will want to jeopardise their standing by allowing non-compliant flying on their site.

I can't understand why there is such an appetite for civil disobedience in some quarters. Complying with the regulations in this instance, is hardly an onerous undertaking.

I think we all agree that regulating the hobby should not be necessary, but the harsh reality is that the behaviour of a minority of halfwits has made it so. Unfair and unnecessary for the serious, responsibly minded aeromodeller to be sure; but it is what it is so it would be better that we do the right thing in the best interest of the hobby.

That is my take on it, at least.
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Old 07-02-2021, 03:02 AM   #23 (permalink)
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"but at most sanctioned events you might have to show it."

That's not true at all.

Show us proof that requires anyone attending a sanctioned event has to
have passed the Trust test.

I have no clue as to how you can infer this.

Are you an AMA member?
The FAA numbers became a requirement, and this being a new safety step, I said "MIGHT" ( and probably will) be needed to fly places. Yes, AMA for about 40 years. #5282**.
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Old 07-02-2021, 11:54 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Since it seems to matter, I am an AMA (50+ years), former District AVP, Distinguished Service Awardee, District Service Award winner, and Leader Member.

AMA itself will likley never make this a requirement per se. They will simply say "follow the law". The law requires registration and TRUST test.

Test is insultingly easy, and free.
Registration in $5 every 3 years.

No big deal. Do them both and move along and fly happy.
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No big deal. Do them both and move along and fly happy.
That is pretty much what has happened here in the UK and we didn't have much grumbling about it once people realised that it really was not something that was worth losing any sleep over - life has carried on as before and the subject hardly ever gets mentioned anymore.
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"Test is insultingly easy, and free."

I totally agree with that.

I took the test, passed it without having to re-answer any questions, and have my "trust certificate".

I just don't think that the AMA will or should specifically require this silly trust certificate in order to enter an AMA sanctioned event.

If it is, I would like to see some written proof of this by the AMA.

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Old 07-02-2021, 12:49 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I just don't think that the AMA will or should specifically require this silly trust certificate in order to enter an AMA sanctioned event.

If it is, I would like to see some written proof of this by the AMA.

You still do not get it, do you? It is not about what the AMA may or may not require but rather, what the FAA requires;

"All recreational flyers must pass an aeronautical knowledge and safety test and provide proof of test passage (the TRUST completion certificate) to the FAA or law enforcement upon request."
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I can't understand why there is such an appetite for civil disobedience in some quarters. Complying with the regulations in this instance, is hardly an onerous undertaking.
So you comply with registration. And put your number on your model. Then they make you put your number on the outside. Then they make you take the test. And file LAANC requests. Then there's Remote ID. And anything else they think up in the meantime; eventually there's going to be an FAA-blessed "safety code" with force of law. Compliance will just lead to more regulations, until you're buried to the point where you can't obey. Might as well get a head start and disobey from square one.

Anyway, all my flying sites (aside from my back yard) are illegal full stop, by state and county rules. I can't get legal, so there's no need to run on the FAA treadmill trying.
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"You still do not get it, do you? It is not about what the AMA may or may not require but rather, what the FAA requires;"

Not at all.

You are in the UK.....not in the USA...I don't care about what happens in the UK.

Do you not understand that?

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"Well several clubs near me are now requiring proof of FAA Registration."

But that is not the "trust test".
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"Well several clubs near me are now requiring proof of FAA Registration."

But that is not the "trust test".

Follow the logic

It took a couple of years for these AMA clubs to require proof of registration

The TRUST test is new

Give it a couple of years and clubs will require proof i predict.
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Old 07-03-2021, 12:35 AM   #32 (permalink)
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"You still do not get it, do you? It is not about what the AMA may or may not require but rather, what the FAA requires;"

Not at all.

You are in the UK.....not in the USA...I don't care about what happens in the UK.

Do you not understand that?

No offense
Do you ever read and properly digest what has been said before you respond to a post? I suspect not.

The AMA and FAA are American institutions and it was their requirements that was under discussion, not any UK legislation or practice. You seem incapable of comprehending that it is the FAA requirements that ultimately dictate whether you are legally permitted to fly at an event or club.
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Old 07-03-2021, 07:08 AM   #33 (permalink)
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That is pretty much what has happened here in the UK and we didn't have much grumbling about it once people realised that it really was not something that was worth losing any sleep over - life has carried on as before and the subject hardly ever gets mentioned anymore.
I think it has to do with the way our country was founded that is still heavily taught this way in school. We were pretty much founded by rebels and rabble rousers. It makes sense that we would cry out against any new regulations and be ready to resist any attempts at perceived tyranny. Not that this test is that but we (some of us anyway) are just sort of predisposed to reacting that way. I know I am in any case
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Old 07-03-2021, 08:24 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Our club has taken the position that it is not our local club's responsibility to verify everyone's compliance with the FAA's mandates. Just like we don't check everyone's proof of automobile liability insurance (a state requirement / law) before being let on the field, we don't check club member's FAA registration.

Their are an almost infinite number of laws various government agencies have dreamed up that our members must comply with. Is it the local club's responsibility to police compliance with any or all of them? While I find life is easier if I register with the FAA (and carry auto insurance), is it the responsibility of the Meridian AeroModelers to require proof?
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I suspect with our club it will come down to insurance coverage just like AMA. No AMA. No insurance. No membership in our club.
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I suspect with our club it will come down to insurance coverage just like AMA. No AMA. No insurance. No membership in our club.
That is how our club operates. No AMA. No insurance. No membership. We just believe none of that has to do with the FAA. Or are you telling me that if you are non-compliant with registering with the FAA, the AMA will revoke your membership? If so, that is entirely another issue. Personally? I find that to be an egregious overstepping of authority for the AMA to assume the role of the enforcement agency for FAA decrees. The Academy of Model Aeronautics is NOT the license enforcement branch of the FAA.

Join the AMA. Join our club. Come fly with us. How you deal with federal laws is none of my business.
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The Academy of Model Aeronautics is NOT the license enforcement branch of the FAA.
The point of the AMA, from the FAA's point of view, is to have a handle on modelers. They tell the AMAs insurance company to make the AMA mandate something, the AMA will mandate it and the clubs will follow right along.
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"I think it has to do with the way our country was founded that is still heavily taught this way in school. We were pretty much founded by rebels and rabble rousers. It makes sense that we would cry out against any new regulations and be ready to resist any attempts at perceived tyranny."


Its called Liberty.
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Its called Liberty.
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Yes - I was just trying to explain to our friend across the pond why we (at least some of us) act the way we do.
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Old 07-04-2021, 09:22 AM   #40 (permalink)
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Yes - I was just trying to explain to our friend across the pond why we (at least some of us) act the way we do.
No need to explain the dynamics of rebel causes to me - I am an ex-Rhodesian.
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