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Old 07-21-2021, 10:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Is this the toughest UAV legislation so far?

A new UAV law is due to be passed in Hong Kong to be enacted next year. Penalties will include large fines and up to 2 years' imprisonment. Some of the details are as follows.

1. UAVs over 250g will have to registered individually
2. Operators of UAVs over 250g will have to be registered and may have to pass a test.
3. All UAVs over 250g mush have a safety device installed with the ability to warn the operator if the UAV is entering a restricted zone as well as to provide telemetry and flight logs.
4. UAVs over 250mg must be flown at least 30M from people, buildings and vehicles.
5. Third party insurance of my to 10M Hong Kong dollars (US$1.28M) must be bought. This is a very complicated issue in Hong Kong as almost no popular flying sites expressly allow RC models to be flown and therefore insurers may not entertain claims arising from them.

I wonder if it is the toughest UAV legislation in the world? It will sure cause a nightmare among RC helicopter fliers and vendors here.

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Is this proposal the same on the main land or just Hong Kong? Is Beijing cracking down more on Hong Kong with this proposal? I remember being at the market in Shenzhen just a few years ago and seeing so many drones for sale. About a year later fewer drones for sale. I asked why and I was told that they required a license and sales had diminished.
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I am sure that the legislation is for Hong Kong only. For years we had one of laxest legislation in relation to RC model aircraft and now suddenly. I wonder whether there are any specific incidents involved. If anything, we bring it upon ourselves for flying recklessly for years planes, glides, helis and drones.

This is a typical example of reckless behavior. This drone was flying hundreds of ft right above thousands of people.

Stunning aerial footage of Hong Kong's historic protest (1 min 27 sec)
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4. UAVs over 250mg must be flown at least 30M from people, buildings and vehicles.
Brb going to google UAVs under 250mg. That sounds fascinating.

Just being cheeky. I'll edit this if you want.
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It wasn't uncommon for me to see them being flown out on the street to stimulate sales.
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This looks like a "ban it without expressly banning it" law.
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I am sure that the legislation is for Hong Kong only. For years we had one of laxest legislation in relation to RC model aircraft and now suddenly. I wonder whether there are any specific incidents involved. If anything, we bring it upon ourselves for flying recklessly for years planes, glides, helis and drones.

This is a typical example of reckless behavior. This drone was flying hundreds of ft right above thousands of people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OjxW-K3FXI
I imagine a video of millions of protestors in the streets is the last thing the powers that be on the mainland want shared with the world.
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The new regulations are even worse than I thought. Apparently, the flight logging device much come with a warning system should the UAV enter a restricted area. This feature is only available in drones.

Therefore this is effectively a ban on all RC helicopters that over 250g in weight.
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EU rules are very similar, but the flying object needs to be at least 150m away from anything else (buildings, people, etc). 30m seems very generous.
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In Washington D.C. they're banned entirely. So no, these aren't the toughest rules.
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EU rules are very similar, but the flying object needs to be at least 150m away from anything else (buildings, people, etc). 30m seems very generous.
No, they're nowhere near that strict. The latest EU and UK regulations are pretty balanced, especially with UK RC organisations like the BMFA and LMA officially recognised, and with their qualifications and flying locations granting members legal permission to fly pretty much as normal.

The broader "drone regulations", which cover multirotors, helis and planes also makes allowance for sub 250g and toy models, for legacy RC and self-built models, and for large scale 25kg+ models (with responsibility for those in the UK being with the already existing LMA).

Lightweight and toy drones are even allowed to fly over people (since the risk is assumed to be low), and horizontal separation of 30-50m from uninvolved people or crowds is the rule of thumb for larger models.

https://www.easa.europa.eu/domains/c...y-civil-drones

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Theres nothing balanced about unfair laws and regulations. And if you comply with those laws you'll only get more laws and restrictions.

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Theres nothing balanced about unfair laws and regulations. And if you comply with those laws you'll only get more laws and restrictions.

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What exactly is unbalanced about us being able to fly our models exactly as we always have? The laws being added are basically to create some awareness & regulation around drone flying to keep the public safe, and to ensure there's some regulation around a new and growing type of industry.

I agree there are a lot of overbroad dumbass laws out there, but the current state of affairs in the UK is a pretty decent outcome:. I register with the BMFA, which I was already doing by virtue of joining the flying clubs, and that's my official registration with the CAA sorted. I can still fly my little models in the garden, can still fly indoor models over the winter, and can still fly my planes and helis at the flying field exactly as I always did.

Heck, it's even allowed to fly at parks & open areas provided you take reasonable steps to ensure it's safe - something we actually couldn't do before. And for some reason you're also explicitly allowed to drop items (and animals) from your models.

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This is my last comment in this thread as this topic has already been discussed ad nauseum.

Rc aircraft and the people who use them have a history of being extremely safe. There are already plenty of laws in place for those very few people who do bad things with them. Unlike motor vehicles and full size passenger aviation, Rc aircraft do not need any of these restrictions, licenses or registrations.

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